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		<title>By: doahleigh - Holy Waste of Teabags! &#187; Gift of names</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-13114</link>
		<dc:creator>doahleigh - Holy Waste of Teabags! &#187; Gift of names</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 18:43:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] want to share something I read at one my favorite sites. If you were at all interested in the great last name? debate from earlier this year (and if you haven&#8217;t read it yet, it&#8217;s long but it&#8217;s good), [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] want to share something I read at one my favorite sites. If you were at all interested in the great last name? debate from earlier this year (and if you haven&#8217;t read it yet, it&#8217;s long but it&#8217;s good), [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7860</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Apr 2007 03:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shannon, you make some good points. Brad has mentioned before that you feel strongly about keeping your name and I have to admit that it caught me off guard at first, but I understand where you're coming from. 

When Meg and I got married, having the same name was important to us because we were becoming family, and having the same name was an important component of that. We did go the traditional route and take my name, but thats just us. The important thing is that we were putting aside who we were before and starting something new together. Whether she became a Jones or I became a Smith was far less important than the idea of us both coming together to be a family.

You have an awesome family heritage, and that instills a lot of meaning in your family name. Do you think it would have as much meaning if everyone in your family had kept their last names? I can't imagine that it would. If we all kept our names through marriage, we would have 1 parent that shared our name, 1 grandparent, 1 great grandparent. Only half of our siblings would share our name, and so on and so on. It's not the best argument to take on a spouse's name, but I think it would dilute the proud history that people have regarding their name.

For Meg and I, we could have gone either way and been happy. She could have been a Jones. I could have been a Smith. The important thing for us was that we were whatever we were, together. A name's just a name, right? But like you were eluding to, we hold our names close t our heart. They're part of our identity. If two people get married and they're holding on to two different things, is that bringing them closer?

Maybe it's easy for me to say because I've still got my last name, but I would have gladly given it up if thats what it took for us to share the same one. Maybe we should all just be flipping coins instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shannon, you make some good points. Brad has mentioned before that you feel strongly about keeping your name and I have to admit that it caught me off guard at first, but I understand where you&#8217;re coming from. </p>
<p>When Meg and I got married, having the same name was important to us because we were becoming family, and having the same name was an important component of that. We did go the traditional route and take my name, but thats just us. The important thing is that we were putting aside who we were before and starting something new together. Whether she became a Jones or I became a Smith was far less important than the idea of us both coming together to be a family.</p>
<p>You have an awesome family heritage, and that instills a lot of meaning in your family name. Do you think it would have as much meaning if everyone in your family had kept their last names? I can&#8217;t imagine that it would. If we all kept our names through marriage, we would have 1 parent that shared our name, 1 grandparent, 1 great grandparent. Only half of our siblings would share our name, and so on and so on. It&#8217;s not the best argument to take on a spouse&#8217;s name, but I think it would dilute the proud history that people have regarding their name.</p>
<p>For Meg and I, we could have gone either way and been happy. She could have been a Jones. I could have been a Smith. The important thing for us was that we were whatever we were, together. A name&#8217;s just a name, right? But like you were eluding to, we hold our names close t our heart. They&#8217;re part of our identity. If two people get married and they&#8217;re holding on to two different things, is that bringing them closer?</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s easy for me to say because I&#8217;ve still got my last name, but I would have gladly given it up if thats what it took for us to share the same one. Maybe we should all just be flipping coins instead.</p>
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		<title>By: daisies</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7856</link>
		<dc:creator>daisies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Apr 2007 17:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brad ... i don't know how most kids feel about the last name thing but i can say that it has never really bothered my son to have a different last name than me ~ he kind of liked it when we all had different last names but we're pretty artsy fartsy over here and very non-traditional so that may have had some sort of influence over his thoughts on the matter.

such good well thought out commentary in this thread ~ its so great that we all have so much choice and can do what makes us comfortable.  it wasn't always the way i think.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brad &#8230; i don&#8217;t know how most kids feel about the last name thing but i can say that it has never really bothered my son to have a different last name than me ~ he kind of liked it when we all had different last names but we&#8217;re pretty artsy fartsy over here and very non-traditional so that may have had some sort of influence over his thoughts on the matter.</p>
<p>such good well thought out commentary in this thread ~ its so great that we all have so much choice and can do what makes us comfortable.  it wasn&#8217;t always the way i think.</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.doahleigh.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7839</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Apr 2007 15:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I changed my name, obviously, but it wasn't a non-issue either. I didn't spend more than five minutes debating this issue, for me it was a natural decision. I'm proud to be a "Smith" now. And I feel a strong connection to my new last name. In actuality though, I know if I would have had a professional job before I got married, I probably would have kept my old last name professionally and changed my last name to Kevin's for everything else, because in my eyes, I'm as much a "Smith" as a "Jones." But then big differences here is first I'm super close to his family as well as my own, and I met Kevin at such an early age, part of my growing up life I already identified myself as part of their family. .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I changed my name, obviously, but it wasn&#8217;t a non-issue either. I didn&#8217;t spend more than five minutes debating this issue, for me it was a natural decision. I&#8217;m proud to be a &#8220;Smith&#8221; now. And I feel a strong connection to my new last name. In actuality though, I know if I would have had a professional job before I got married, I probably would have kept my old last name professionally and changed my last name to Kevin&#8217;s for everything else, because in my eyes, I&#8217;m as much a &#8220;Smith&#8221; as a &#8220;Jones.&#8221; But then big differences here is first I&#8217;m super close to his family as well as my own, and I met Kevin at such an early age, part of my growing up life I already identified myself as part of their family. .</p>
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		<title>By: JenniferW</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7818</link>
		<dc:creator>JenniferW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 03:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, I had the worst time when it came time to decide on a name change!  I was 30 when I got married and my name was everything that had happened to me to make me who I was.  The thought of changing it made me feel...like I was losing myself and trying to be someone I wasn't.  So I tried the personal contacts get a married name and business contacts stayed maiden.  

Then I got separated a year after marriage.  I was so glad that I hadn't legally changed my name to his.  BUT...I got pregnant with his baby a year after we separated (we still are btw) and after I had our baby I changed it to his and the baby automatically got his.  They didn't even ask me what it should be because I was married!  I was really upset about that to be honest.  

Anyway, the point is that the desire to have my family unit to share the same name was stronger than my need to feel like an individual separate from my husband.  And after having our son, I became a new person than the one who held my maiden name.  It didn't matter as much.  

I wish there was an easy solution for someone in your situation.  Maybe after you have children it'll get easier rather than more complicated.  It IS such an important decision that more people getting married should give thought to before just doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, I had the worst time when it came time to decide on a name change!  I was 30 when I got married and my name was everything that had happened to me to make me who I was.  The thought of changing it made me feel&#8230;like I was losing myself and trying to be someone I wasn&#8217;t.  So I tried the personal contacts get a married name and business contacts stayed maiden.  </p>
<p>Then I got separated a year after marriage.  I was so glad that I hadn&#8217;t legally changed my name to his.  BUT&#8230;I got pregnant with his baby a year after we separated (we still are btw) and after I had our baby I changed it to his and the baby automatically got his.  They didn&#8217;t even ask me what it should be because I was married!  I was really upset about that to be honest.  </p>
<p>Anyway, the point is that the desire to have my family unit to share the same name was stronger than my need to feel like an individual separate from my husband.  And after having our son, I became a new person than the one who held my maiden name.  It didn&#8217;t matter as much.  </p>
<p>I wish there was an easy solution for someone in your situation.  Maybe after you have children it&#8217;ll get easier rather than more complicated.  It IS such an important decision that more people getting married should give thought to before just doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jess</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7812</link>
		<dc:creator>Jess</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 16:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I don't have much to comment. Just that I read the whole thing! LOL

I, being fairly archaic-like, non-feminist, old-school Christian-like, one who doesn't mind being subordinate in the Biblical sense to her husband/partner/mate-for-life/lifetime companion, will continue to believe that taking my husband's name (should I ever marry again) will be the way to go for me.  

Thanks for the thought provoking subject matter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I don&#8217;t have much to comment. Just that I read the whole thing! LOL</p>
<p>I, being fairly archaic-like, non-feminist, old-school Christian-like, one who doesn&#8217;t mind being subordinate in the Biblical sense to her husband/partner/mate-for-life/lifetime companion, will continue to believe that taking my husband&#8217;s name (should I ever marry again) will be the way to go for me.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the thought provoking subject matter!</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7811</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 14:32:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm amazed that so many people read this whole thing, I'm impressed with everyone's tenacity. I can't reply to every comment, but I have a story or three to go with the issue Lindsay pointed out.

1. When my dad proposed to his now wife, he gave her a ring of course. And then she went out and bought him an engagement ring too! I thought that was a great idea. Of course he just used the same ring when they got married because he didn't want to wear two the way most women do.

2. I also didn't want an engagement ring. I hate wearing jewelry, and I didn't want the pressure of having to wear a big ring all the time. Plus when we get married, I'd just want to wear a simple wedding band anyway, so why spend the money on a diamond? But Brad said he'd like to be able to propose someday, ring and all. So I said that as long as I wasn't expected to wear two rings every day the rest of my life, that I'd be happy to have an engagement ring. See, I can compromise. And maybe he'll want one too.

3. First I told Brad about wanting to keep my last name, which he got used to quickly. Then I told him that I'd probably just continue indicating myself as a "Ms." when asked because "Mrs." just sounds so... I don't know, not me I guess. When I told him, he said, rather huffily, "So basically you're not making any changes to show that you're married." And then I reversed it and asked him what changes he was making that I wasn't. None. Then I think he understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed that so many people read this whole thing, I&#8217;m impressed with everyone&#8217;s tenacity. I can&#8217;t reply to every comment, but I have a story or three to go with the issue Lindsay pointed out.</p>
<p>1. When my dad proposed to his now wife, he gave her a ring of course. And then she went out and bought him an engagement ring too! I thought that was a great idea. Of course he just used the same ring when they got married because he didn&#8217;t want to wear two the way most women do.</p>
<p>2. I also didn&#8217;t want an engagement ring. I hate wearing jewelry, and I didn&#8217;t want the pressure of having to wear a big ring all the time. Plus when we get married, I&#8217;d just want to wear a simple wedding band anyway, so why spend the money on a diamond? But Brad said he&#8217;d like to be able to propose someday, ring and all. So I said that as long as I wasn&#8217;t expected to wear two rings every day the rest of my life, that I&#8217;d be happy to have an engagement ring. See, I can compromise. And maybe he&#8217;ll want one too.</p>
<p>3. First I told Brad about wanting to keep my last name, which he got used to quickly. Then I told him that I&#8217;d probably just continue indicating myself as a &#8220;Ms.&#8221; when asked because &#8220;Mrs.&#8221; just sounds so&#8230; I don&#8217;t know, not me I guess. When I told him, he said, rather huffily, &#8220;So basically you&#8217;re not making any changes to show that you&#8217;re married.&#8221; And then I reversed it and asked him what changes he was making that I wasn&#8217;t. None. Then I think he understood.</p>
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		<title>By: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7809</link>
		<dc:creator>Lindsay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:45:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I want to offer up a loosely related thought. And forgive me if i get overly feminist here, but... well, deal with it.

You discussed how women taking on the husband's surname reflects the archaic notion that she is subordinate to him. And you pointed out that he isn't expected to alter his name in any way. ... Well, how about that?

When engaged, only the woman is expected to wear a ring. Other men presumably see this and deduce that she's "taken" and they move on. (Before rings, did the men just pee on their brides-to-be?) ... The men have no such ring, no overt symbol of their relationship status.

Then, when married, as you said, the woman becomes Mrs. [Husband's Last Name] :::::Or worse, Mrs [Husband's First Name] {Husband's Last Name:::::. And not only does said husband not typically take on any part of his wife's surname, but also his "Mr" has no married variation. While "Miss" turns to "Mrs.", "Mr." is always "Mr."

I'm not nearly as eloquent as you are at articulating these thoughts, but wanted to put them on the table as they seem ever-so-loosely related to some of the things you touched on. And of course, I'm not saying I don't hope to one day wear a beautiful engagement ring or be called Mrs. [Husband's Last Name], but rather that these concepts should be studied more thoroughly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to offer up a loosely related thought. And forgive me if i get overly feminist here, but&#8230; well, deal with it.</p>
<p>You discussed how women taking on the husband&#8217;s surname reflects the archaic notion that she is subordinate to him. And you pointed out that he isn&#8217;t expected to alter his name in any way. &#8230; Well, how about that?</p>
<p>When engaged, only the woman is expected to wear a ring. Other men presumably see this and deduce that she&#8217;s &#8220;taken&#8221; and they move on. (Before rings, did the men just pee on their brides-to-be?) &#8230; The men have no such ring, no overt symbol of their relationship status.</p>
<p>Then, when married, as you said, the woman becomes Mrs. [Husband's Last Name] :::::Or worse, Mrs [Husband's First Name] {Husband&#8217;s Last Name:::::. And not only does said husband not typically take on any part of his wife&#8217;s surname, but also his &#8220;Mr&#8221; has no married variation. While &#8220;Miss&#8221; turns to &#8220;Mrs.&#8221;, &#8220;Mr.&#8221; is always &#8220;Mr.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not nearly as eloquent as you are at articulating these thoughts, but wanted to put them on the table as they seem ever-so-loosely related to some of the things you touched on. And of course, I&#8217;m not saying I don&#8217;t hope to one day wear a beautiful engagement ring or be called Mrs. [Husband's Last Name], but rather that these concepts should be studied more thoroughly.</p>
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		<title>By: Shannon</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7807</link>
		<dc:creator>Shannon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison, thanks for the comment. I don't mean to suggest that this should be as important to everyone as is is to me. If you know it's what you want and why you want it, if you can answer with more than "I don't know, just cuz. I never really thought about it" then it sounds like you've given it thought even if you don't realize it.

From your comment it seems like you know you want what you've decided, instead of just thinking you want it, and I think that's great. But I've talked to people who have said, "I wish I would have thought about it more" not only about this but about a lot of things. So I'm not trying to make this the number one issue for marrying couples, I just like to encourage thoughtful decisions. I hope I didn't come off as condescending or demanding.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison, thanks for the comment. I don&#8217;t mean to suggest that this should be as important to everyone as is is to me. If you know it&#8217;s what you want and why you want it, if you can answer with more than &#8220;I don&#8217;t know, just cuz. I never really thought about it&#8221; then it sounds like you&#8217;ve given it thought even if you don&#8217;t realize it.</p>
<p>From your comment it seems like you know you want what you&#8217;ve decided, instead of just thinking you want it, and I think that&#8217;s great. But I&#8217;ve talked to people who have said, &#8220;I wish I would have thought about it more&#8221; not only about this but about a lot of things. So I&#8217;m not trying to make this the number one issue for marrying couples, I just like to encourage thoughtful decisions. I hope I didn&#8217;t come off as condescending or demanding.</p>
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		<title>By: Alison</title>
		<link>http://www.doahleigh.com/2007/04/last-names-to-change-or-not-to-change/#comment-7806</link>
		<dc:creator>Alison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Many people in comments said that they didn’t or wouldn’t give it a second thought. Why not? It doesn’t take long. You’ll probably come to the same conclusion, but why not give it a second thought before you commit?"

While I agree with most of your post, that comment just bothered me...so here's my answer:
Because this just isn't such an important issue for some of us! I was well aware of the options out there but I've always looked forward to taking my husband's last name (even before I knew who he was.) There is enough in life (and marriage) to analyze, debate, and compromise on without starting to question those things you know yourself to want (but more power to those of you who DO feel strongly about this!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Many people in comments said that they didn’t or wouldn’t give it a second thought. Why not? It doesn’t take long. You’ll probably come to the same conclusion, but why not give it a second thought before you commit?&#8221;</p>
<p>While I agree with most of your post, that comment just bothered me&#8230;so here&#8217;s my answer:<br />
Because this just isn&#8217;t such an important issue for some of us! I was well aware of the options out there but I&#8217;ve always looked forward to taking my husband&#8217;s last name (even before I knew who he was.) There is enough in life (and marriage) to analyze, debate, and compromise on without starting to question those things you know yourself to want (but more power to those of you who DO feel strongly about this!)</p>
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